Q&A Session with Judy Brennan, PPS Enrollment Director
Sharon Maxwell
Where does PBS see the district in 5 years? How will PBS regain the confidence of the local community back to where people will be fighting to get their students back in PPS?
Hi Sharon, is the reference to PPS or some other group. Assuming you mean PPS, I am inviting Jon Isaacs, Communications and Public Affairs Chief, to contribute to the response. Look for his response soon.
Judy Brennan
Hello Judy,
Thank you so much for taking time...
Mainly I'm wondering how all of the large apartment complexes such as at NE 33rd & Broadway and on SE Division Street will impact those local schools and what sort of planning is being done for it.
Hi Melissa: This is a question shared by many. Last spring PPS asked Charles Rynerson, demographer for PSU Center for Public Service, to conduct a workshop for principals on this topic. He explained the student generation rates that correspond to the 95,000 multi-family units in PPS built before 2012, and provided some details for projects in development now. The average student generation rate for multi-family units is 5 K-5 students and 2 6-8 students per 100 units. For the development at 33rd and Broadway, that translates to about 17 K-8 student residents at time of full occupancy, and likely about 15 of those enrolling in the neighborhood school. One cautionary note he shared: 436 new, market-rate multi-family units in 10 developments that have opened since 2012 in different eastside areas of the district have produced only 7 PPS students. So it does not appear that new multi-family dwellings are attracting many families with school-aged children.
Judy Brennan
Kerry
I live in an area of Piedmont with many many young children, under the age of 5, who are bound for Woodlawn IF something "changes" at the school. Right now, everyone in our neighborhood moves when their kids are 4, or seeks private school options. I would love to send my son to Woodlawn, but also have the same hesitancy my neighbors have given the school's reputation. I would love to hear what PPS is doing to address the concerns about student achievement at Woodlawn (as measured by the tests that generate the rankings).
Hi Kerry: I understand your concern and have heard it expressed by numerous families in different neighborhoods over the years. PPS has many strategies underway to improve achievement at Woodlawn and other schools. The best way to learn about and get involved in those efforts is to connect directly with the school. Test scores are important measures of student success, but they are a poor substitute for the overall understanding you can gain by visiting a school and talking with the administrators, teachers, PTA leaders and others who are working hard to serve students in your community. If you haven’t done so yet, please set up a time to visit Woodlawn. PTA meetings are on the 2nd Tuesday of the month at 5:45 PM with free childcare.
Judy Brennan
I'm hearing a lot about elementary schools that may be affected by boundary reconfigurations, but I'm wondering about students who are currently in HS. Will boundaries change for the high schools and, if so, what happens to the students who are already enrolled? I'm especially concerned about students who are entering their junior or senior years.
Hi Laura, high schools experienced significant system changes in 2011, so are not likely to be the focus of the next phase of boundary/program review. However, PPS will address overcrowding if it becomes an issue at one or more high schools and feeder patterns will be a factor to consider as part of any lower level boundary changes. So the short answer is, probably not, but we aren’t ruling out the possibility if it relieves overcrowding and helps align feeder patterns.
If HS boundaries are changed, present policy speaks to your concern and goes one step further, allowing all current students to remain in their school through graduation. Boundary change is implemented with new students only.
Judy Brennan
Are language immersion programs being evaluated separately from other focus programs, like Sunnyside Environmental School?
Hi Ricardo, SACET has been discussing ways to improve equity of access to focus option programs. In their efforts, they are focused on a small set of focus options, separate from dual language immersion programs where half their students are native speakers of the partner language. This is because dual-language immersion has a board-endorsed growth plan and measures in place to balance enrollment by language and geography. However, SACET is considering whether steps that they feel would improve access to other focus options would be valid for immersion as well. The SACET final report will be delivered by the end of this month to the Superintendent. Any actual changes in focus option or immersion lotteries would have to be approved by the School Board.
Judy Brennan
Ellie Korngold
What is the target enrollment of Lincoln and Wilson, and how do you see Boundary adjustment being used to optimize these? Are there likely to be people currently in Lincoln or Wilson catchment who will be shifted to the other, and are any of the East side schools likely to be involved in west side boundary changes?
Hi Ellie: As part of high school system design, PPS establish a baseline target of 1350 students for each community comprehensive school. The goal was to have all comprehensive schools within 150 students of this target, which would help ensure that students would have equitable access to programs, regardless of where they lived. Preliminary 2014 enrollment shows Lincoln with 1,583 students, 83 students above the desired range, and Wilson with 1,257 students, within the range but about 100 students below the target. High schools will likely not be the focus of the next round of boundary reviews, as noted above. There are significant boundary and program imbalances at schools with grades K-8 which will be the primary purpose of the upcoming district-wide boundary review.
Judy Brennan
If equity and a more representative student body are major goals for special schools, what is being done to promote them, then recruit, and finally support and retain kids from more diverse backgrounds?
This is the same question SACET is asking now. I have talked with principals from each focus option school, along with many parents and teachers, and believe they would embrace the chance to explain to the broader community what they are doing now, and what they would like to do in the future, to attract and retain students who represent the full diversity of our district.
Judy Brennan
The abrupt dissolution of their school would be a remarkable stress for many kids. If special schools, like Sunnyside, were axed, what strategies would be used to mitigate the harms?
Let me make it clear, Ricardo, that SACET as a committee is not advocating for this degree of change at this time. There are several SACET members who are regular contributors to this site who can explain this, as well. What I hear SACET saying, in short, is that they cannot be as helpful as they want to be in recommending a more equitable enrollment system for focus option schools because it is not clear to them the purpose that focus options are meant to serve. They will ask PPS to describe the purpose of focus options, and have a process to provide supports and hold schools accountable for meeting the purpose they are meant to serve. They also want real implications for schools that do not meet their stated purpose, including closure. But that is an end, not a beginning. I hear SACET asking for a new beginning for focus options that is more purposeful and equity centered than before.
Judy Brennan
Thanks for doing this Judy! In your recent board memo you said that maintaining a 3 campus structure "would likely require changing the Beverly Cleary grade levels assigned to Rose City Park". I know many families currently at RCP feel disconnected from the school and burdened by the logistics of going to a school that is farther away. Due to this some feel it's more equitable to have a new group of kids go to RCP and also believe it would be easier for the teachers to not have to move their classrooms for yet another interim solution. Given this, what was the logic of a "likely" grade change?
Hi Abigail: Just like last year, when faced with the decision about which grades to locate at Rose City Park, there are many factors that have to be considered. One important factor is the number of classrooms at Fernwood that can hold students in grades K-2. Currently, there are 5 1st grade classrooms at Rose City Park, but only 3 2nd grade classrooms at Fernwood. If 1st graders move back to Fernwood next year, is there enough space for all the classrooms? In the coming weeks I will be part of a central office team that hears from administrators about how space is being used this year, and discusses possibilities for next year. We will be sharing what we learn with teachers and parents, as well.
Judy Brennan
Susan Eichman
Hi Judy, my two-part question is: If Rose City Park school is re-opened at the Beverly Cleary community's request, would this then give Rose City Park residents access to that school again; and if it is once again K-5, what middle school would those kids attend?
Hi Susan: These are two of the questions we continually circle back to when considering long-term options for schools in this region. We’d like outcome of the upcoming values, growth and equity conversation to guide our answers, but we also need to respond to the continuing enrollment challenges at Beverly Cleary. The long-term boundary discussion will include important issues such as grade structure, feeder pattern, balancing enrollment between several schools in the area and finding a new (and hopefully more permanent) home for ACCESS. All this will not get accomplished this year, but we will consider whether a smaller, boundary zone is a feasible starting point.
Judy Brennan
Karen Gazzo
How will any proposed boundary changes affect those families who have children in one school for several years, who lotteried into another?
Hi Karen: Not sure I follow you, so forgive me if my answer is off target. PPS rules are that kids have the right to remain in their current school, even after boundary change. The board can make an exception if it chooses, but generally, boundary change is for new students and transfers last through the highest grade. Let me know if there is something else you wanted me to address.
Judy Brennan
Anonymous
This is really more of a statement rather than a question. Leave RWH alone. I understand that BCS is over crowded. RCS is a Madison cluster school. The Rose City Park /Roseway heights would be more than happy to have PPS use that school to alleviate the pressures at BCS. Please keep it a Madison cluster school. The students and parents at RWH have already had fair share of re-arranging done . Can the BCS solution please please not encroach on our school?
Thanks for sharing your comment, Anonymous. I hear your high school feeder pattern concern loud and clear. I think this issue is on lots of people’s minds. I hope, when the time comes, neighbors on both sides of 57th are able to hear each other’s viewpoints and agree on a plan that puts kids at the center.
Judy Brennan
sarah
Are re-opening middle schools on the east side on the table?
As opposed to the west side of the table? Just kidding Sarah. PPS enrollment has grown for six straight years as is projected to continue growing into the foreseeable future. We will likely need more capacity everywhere in the coming years. There is still a lot of work to do to plan for exactly what, when and how, but I would not rule out bringing capacity back on line, including former middle schools.
Judy Brennan
Francina Folger-Vent
I was wondering how the inequities between schools especially in terms of middle school and high school offerings will be addressed. I do not think we can 'lock' people into a neighborhood K-8 with little or no electives, while others get all that a traditional middle school offers. I'm hoping this will be addressed. Also does the school district intend to ensure that all high schools offer equivalent programs? Right now, a child can only get the IB program if they live in a certain neighborhood. Are these inequities going to be part of the conversation?
Hi Francina, I think program equity will be the center of the upcoming values, growth and equity conversation. But a big challenge will be to agree on what is equivalent. IB is one of several ways that PPS high schools offer college-level curriculum, including AP, dual-credit and middle college.
Judy Brennan
Francina Folger-Vent
I also wanted to know if the transportation issue for focus schools will be addressed? Right now some schools have buses, others do not, this seems very unfair. If great focus schools like da Vinci are threatened with closure unless they increase diversity, then I hope the school district will think about transportation to those schools, so more children can access these great programs. Is this part of the conversation?
Francina, you are thinking like a SACET member! They have consistently pointed out the importance of offering supports such as transportation to improve equity of access to focus option schools.
Judy Brennan
Anonymous
Can you ask the Board Members to share their family's interaction with your office--the office of enrollment andbtransfer? We need to hear our publicly elected board members be transparent about the decisions that they made for their family that May or may not have perpetuated the school lottery system that has created a PPS facilitated process of white flight from our title 1 schools in n and Ne. We need to know that our board members will vote on systemic changes that create a lottery system and boundary changed (and boundary change system) that is not built on the backs of our Black and Brown children. We need to know the board supports real systemic change--even if they used the system to avoid going to their majority Black neighborhood school.
Thanks, for another compelling comment, anonymous. I will pass it on to the board office.
Judy Brennan
1) If it became imperative to move kids out of BCS in Sept. 2015, would PPS move kids on our west side to Irvington and/or Sabin?
Hi James: The goal is to address overcrowding and limit impact on other schools. I would say this is unlikely for 2015, but could be considered in 2016.
Judy Brennan
2) Is PPS willing to give BCS families priority in transferring out of BCS to Irvington and/or Sabin like Lincoln has been given to transfer to Wilson and Chapman to Ainsworth and Forest Park?
That’s also a possibility. However, voluntary transfers are not predictable ways to address overcrowding, so would not provide the level of certainty I hear school and community members asking us to provide.
Judy Brennan
3) Is PPS looking or willing to look for a permanent home for ACCESS that could be available in Sept. 2015?
PPS remains committed to working with ACCESS on a permanent location. At this point, I don’t see why that should be accelerated for 2015. Thanks, James, for giving me the chance to say that I have a ton of respect for the ACCESS teachers, administrators, community members and students who went through years of uncertainty at Sabin before making the move to RCP in 2013. Ditto, Beverly Cleary, as well.
Judy Brennan
4) What does PPS E&T predict BCS enrollment will be in 2015-16, by grade level, and if any grade is expected to grow significantly, based on what?
2015-16 enrollment forecasts will be available in the winter. Right now we are taking past forecasts and revising based on new enrollment. Here is the preliminary year-to-year change:
K 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Total
Oct 2013 118 109 85 104 89 79 75 79 76 814
Oct 2014 90 112 112 89 105 94 81 74 78 835
Diff. -28 +3 +27 -15 +16 +15 +6 -5 +2 +21
Judy Brennan
5) How many classrooms in Fernwood are fire-code approved for K/1/2 students? How many at RCP?
There are 8 classrooms at Fernwood and 9 at Rose City Park that can be occupied by K-2 grade students. Don’t forget the 7 classrooms at Hollyrood (happily, counting one classroom as a cafeteria/multi-purpose room there).
Judy Brennan
6) Will future-RCP neighborhood parents be given an official role in visioning what a future RCP neighborhood school looks like?
I’m not sure what an official role would look like, but we definitely would like families of future students to be involved in community discussions, including the upcoming values, growth and equity conversation.
Judy Brennan
7) When will PPS start to plan for reopening RCP as a neighborhood school in Sept 2016 and what PPS official will be in charge of that?
Sorry, James, no decisions about future use for Rose City Park have been made, so these questions are premature.
Judy Brennan
8) Has any thought been given to the need to support a new neighborhood school with additional budget and additional FTE for a several-year transition period until a functioning PTA and a functioning Foundation can be established and begin to provide these supports at the levels currently provided at BCS?
James, this is more of a comment than question, I think. I understand your concern and appreciate you bringing attention to it.
Judy Brennan
9) Has the PPS Chief Academic Officer been consulted on the educational impact of separating a small number of kids from their peers at BCS and putting them at RCP on an open-ended temporary basis?
Again, I think you are raising a concern more than asking a question I can answer. (By the way, PPS has reorganized senior academic staff, and now has three Assistant Superintendents over the office of schools instead of one Chief Academic Officer.)
Judy Brennan
10) Has anyone at PPS competent in social/emotional child development been consulted on the social/emotional impact of separating a small number of kids from their peers at BCS and putting them at RCP on an open-ended temporary basis?
James, thanks for continuing to be a thoughtful and energetic community member. You always ask great questions, and you make huge efforts to involve community members who might not be aware of these issues. PPS is not proposing the type of change you describe above, but we do consider the impact of boundary change on children.
Judy Brennan
Michelle
Smith School sits idle. East Sylvan is unfit for students. The population keeps growing. What are the plans for a permanent solution to the overcrowding at East/West Sylvan and Lincoln? Are these plans to create a committee to further discuss the problem or can we count on something to happen by 2015/2016?
Hi Michelle, our partners at the PSU Center for Public Service have given us solid advice on how to tackle the big challenge in your questions: the population keeps growing. They have convinced us that starting with a full conversation about values, growth and equity is our best chance of facing and resolving the large and thorny issues that face schools across our district. In the meantime, we will be working with leaders and community members at East/West Sylvan and Lincoln on any short-term arrangements that can be made in advance of the big process. (We should talk further about possibilities for East Sylvan, in particular. Not sure if I could support your statement about it being unfit for students.)
Judy Brennan
Is there any data showing the success of the K-8 model? Is it worth it to stay with K-8s when our buildings are designed to and geographically placed to be K-5s and 6-8s? How can we have some middle school options for some students and not for others? There isn't equity in programming between the two models.
Hi Grace, Here are some resources to help explain how the two models work for students:
http://www.pps.k12.or.us/files/research-evaluati...
http://www.pps.k12.or.us/files/research-evaluati...
http://www.pps.k12.or.us/files/research-evaluati...
By the way, most PPS schools were K-8s at some point in their history, as middle schools did not enter the district until the 1980s.
Judy Brennan
If Rose City Park re-opens where will these students go to high school, or middle school if it's to be a K-5? I am strongly opposed to Madison's catchment area becoming any smaller.
Grace, this issue will be part of a full boundary change discussion for a new Rose City Park School. Keep in mind that maps in my office going back to the 50s show that Rose City Park students were assigned to both Grant and Madison.
Judy Brennan
If Rose City Park re-opens next year or the next, what will be the impact on the enrollment at Roseway Heights K-8?
It is very unlikely that a boundary change will impact Roseway Heights in 2015-16. Beyond that, we will have to work together on what the larger change, if any, might be. Roseway Heights is growing on its own, is currently housing the state’s first Vietnamese Immersion program, and is bordered by other growing schools. I look forward to working with you and other Roseway Heights community members and school leaders on planning for a great and growing future.
Judy Brennan
What other locations are possible for ACCESS? Weren't they promised RCP through the 2015-16 school year by the PPS board?
As far as I know we are not working on any changes for ACCESS for 2015, other than those associated with co-location with Beverly Cleary (or a starter Rose City Park School).
Judy Brennan
Kathie Tell
Regarding BCS at Rose City Park, why do you think the grade levels might need to change from 1st/3rd to some other configuration?
Hi Kathie: See my answer above regarding numbers of students per grade level and number of classrooms that can house students in grades K-2. There may not be enough room at Fernwood next year to keep the same grade structure as exists this year.
Judy Brennan
Mason family, NE
Will ACCESS get a building of its own so that it can exapand as promised and serve the wait-listed kids who so desperately need this wonderful program? Is there any chance that Rose City Park can be ACCESS's permanent home? Are Humboldt or Tubman options? Will there be ample time to prepare the space (and staff, children and families) and move? Thank you.
Hi Mason family, as I wrote above, we are committed to finding a more-permanent home for ACCESS. To my knowledge PPS is not investigating any specific options for growth or change at this time, nor do we see the need to relocate ACCESS before 2016 at the earliest. Please stay involved, as the situation could change—particularly if ACCESS community members request a change.
Judy Brennan
Mason family, NE
If Irvington and Sabin have room, can Beverly Cleary families have the option to attend (since both are nearby and they are Grant feeders)?
Voluntary transfer is always a possibility, but not a very effective planning tool.
Judy Brennan
former RCP catchment, now happy Roseway family
Will families in the new Roseway Heights catchment/former RCP catchment get to 'engage' as much as currently Beverly Cleary families seem to be able to? I appreciate the fact that they are frustrated by the 3-campus setup, but they voted to keep Hollyrood open and it seems their preferences are dominating EVERYTHING that will happen to nearby families/schools. This is inequitable and short-sighted. Madison is a fabulous program and its long-term goals should not be ignored.
Hi now happy Roseway family, I think this is more of a comment than a question. One way to make sure a single group does not dominate is to provide thoughtful input. We do our best to listen to everyone.
Judy Brennan
PPS has historically made important decisions regarding school space and closures on enrollment projection data that later proved faulty. What measures are being taken to ensure that data applied to the school boundary decisions is better than that previously used to make such decisions.
Hi Aurelia: Your comments are similar to those heard by the Center for Public Service team tasked with recommending a district-wide boundary review process. Their suggestions are to ask the community for input about a range of inter-related issues before starting down one path. Districts will never be perfect at enrollment planning. But having community members working with us through processes can help us to anticipate unintended consequences of major enrollment changes.
Judy Brennan
It sounds like steps may be taken to address BCS overcrowding for the 2015 school year but the district wide boundary review process may not take effect until the 2016 (or later) school year. What steps will be taken to limit moves for people in the current BCS catchment area? I am reluctantly open to moving schools next year to deal with the overcrowding but would be unhappy with yet another move the following year due to the district wide boundary process.
Meaning, would a student be asked to move again soon after a boundary change? We would do everything possible to avoid sequential moves for the same students.
Judy Brennan
Who initiated the idea of opening RCP as a neighborhood school for 2015 & what was the process in making it a considered proposal?
Hi Jill: District staff is considering a starter boundary as one option for Beverly Cleary next year. The idea is to provide some more permanent direction for schools, students and community members earlier rather than later. This is simply an idea at this stage.
Judy Brennan
A major complaint of parents regarding RCP has been the reliability of busses. This is a valid complaint & regular lateness does impact the quality of education for ALL of our children. Are the busses late to hollywood & fernwood as well? Has anyone asked the bus drivers what the barriers are to making timely routes? What is their input?
Sorry, I do not have this information. I’m forwarding your question to Beverly Cleary administrators and our transportation director for response.
Judy Brennan
The rumor mill is very active within the BCS community right now. What are the top5 rumors you believe to be a barrier to effective communication/decision making & what is the truth?
Jill, I follow the old adage that a rumor can travel around the world before the truth can get his boots on. The rumor mill can grind up people’s best ideas and intentions. In serious times, I find it is best not to pass on information that you can’t verify. Feel free to e-mail me if you have a specific question.
Judy Brennan
PSU stated clearly & repeatedly, several times at Monday nights meeting, hat the DWBR is seeking to find solutions to population growth & overcrowding within current boundaries. If this is in fact the case, why do we continue to debate this issue?
Sorry, Jill not sure I understand your question.
Judy Brennan
I hear a lot of non-educationally related support for dividing BCS & opening RCP as a neighborhood school. I would like to know, however, the reasons from an educational standpoint that make a this priority over waiting for the DWBR?
Keep in mind that there are significant resources dedicated to the three campus model, and that grade structures may have to be changed again next year. As a public agency, we have to be willing to consider multiple ways to resolve problems. I acknowledge the discomfort that this discussion can bring.
Judy Brennan
Since opening RCP as a neighborhood school has been proposed, and is actually being considered, why are PPS & BCS doing/saying nothing to reassure effected families that their children's education & educational experience are a priority & will not be compromised?
Thanks for sharing this point, Jill, but I don’t think it is really a question.
Judy Brennan
Anonymous
When D-BRAC is charged with making "acute" decisions in the upcoming year for Tier 1 schools, how will you ensure that PPS parents who live close Rose City Park school are represented in D-BRAC?
Hi Anonymous, we are still working out the D-BRAC structure. I can assure you that the group will be able to hear from community members who may be impacted by any of the changes they are considering.
Judy Brennan
Suzanne Malin
Within the recommended 21 member group that will make up D-BRAC there are 2 PTA representatives, and 2 appointees by the Superintendent other than the chair that have potential to be held by a parent that I can see. How do these 4 committee positions allow for adequate community stakeholder representation for all Tier 1 schools?
Hi Suzanne, D-BRAC is meant as a body that will represent important perspectives from across our city. They will surely listen to the voices of those who may be impacted by any changes they are considering, but they are intended to be district-wide, and not specifically representative of just a few schools.
Judy Brennan
Suzanne Malin
In the case of BCS, the majority of the PTA board is comprised of individuals living closer to Fernwood and Hollyrood campuses. Not saying that only a PTA board members would be placed in the PTA member positions on D-BRAC, or that necessarily a PTA member from any Tier 1 school would be placed in those positions. But, is there the possibility of adding more members to D-BRAC for the "acute" decision making process and then configuring back to 21 members going forward?
See my prior answer.
Judy Brennan
Any idea how a new Rose City Park school would affect Roseway Heights? Would RWH continue as a K-8 with RCP an additional elementary? If RWH were to revert to a middle school, how would boundary lines be drawn?
Hi Angela, see my prior response to Grace. It is likely that there will be no impact on Roseway Heights next year. But there are several other enrollment growth issues going on in the region—including at Roseway Heights, so your school will be part of the discussion of bigger changes in the future.
Judy Brennan
Lisa Lyon
Has PPS considered creating additional focus option magnet schools of similar
philosophies that are in demand? In particular, Creative Science School lottery numbers show huge demand. Why not trying to replicate this popular program in other quadrants of the city?
Hi Lisa: The SACET committee has not prioritized discussions of focus option expansion, with the exception of dual language immersion, because of concerns about access and impact on neighborhood schools. The committee has seen that demand for focus option schools is not representative of the district as a whole. Additionally, they have noted negative impacts at neighborhood schools that send high numbers of students to focus option schools. SACET will be advising the superintendent to make it clear the purpose of, and ensure there is more equitable access to focus options .
Judy Brennan
Lisa Lyon
I would like to know what type of planning PPS has done regarding Creative Science School since the Board approved CSS to move in to Clark Elementary in 2008? I feel as though the space crisis we have been experiencing for years, was very predictable since the growth of having two classrooms per grade was agreed upon yet, PPS as far as I can tell, has not actively sought solutions to a promise they made to the CSS community. I feel as if, we were forgotten about for six years and our current situation was totally preventable. I think the least the district could do would be to supply modular units until they create a SE Head Start Center.
Thanks for sharing your concern, Lisa. Yes, the space challenge has been predictable. Unfortunately, finding the best solution to meet the needs of both Creative Science and Head Start has taken awhile.
Judy Brennan
Why is the district considering redrawing boundaries for Beverly Cleary a year before any other school? So many schools have enrollment issues. Why should one school get treated differently than the others?
Hi Grace, Beverly Cleary is the only school operating on three campuses. It is already different from other schools. And it may not be the only school that we consider for a boundary change for 2015.
Judy Brennan